My daughter had a first eptopic. Now pregnant again gestation sac is there same as her yok sac but no fetal pole … hCG levels are 13,000 is she going to lose the baby she had a vaginal ultrasound and regular too
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Pregnancy hcg
Name: Laurie P
My daughter had a first eptopic. Now pregnant again gestation sac is there same as her yok sac but no fetal pole … hCG levels are 13,000 is she going to lose the baby she had a vaginal ultrasound and regular too
Answer:
I would repeat the US in 1 week to be certain!
Geoff Sher
Testicular sperm aspiration
Name: Rick H
Hi!
How much does the Testicular sperm aspiration cost? And does that include freezing the sperm?
Thanks.
Regards,
Rick Hwang
Author
Answer:
I do not have the cost for you. For that you would need to call SFS-New York (see contact # on home-page of this website). Yes, I believe that freezing is included.
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
I am attaching online links to two E-books which I recently co-authored with my partner at SFS-NY (Drew Tortoriello MD)……. for your reading pleasure:
1.From In Vitro Fertilization to Family: A Journey with Sher Fertility Solutions (SFS) “
https://sherfertilitysolutions.com/sher-fertility-solutions-ebook.pdf
- “Recurrent Pregnancy Loss and Unexplained IVF Failure: The Immunologic Link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iYKz-EkAjMqwMa1ZcufIloRdxnAfDH8L/view
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Need consultation online
Name: Shafagh K
Dear Dr. Geoffrey,
i have heard one of your interview in podcast about the right protocol for ivf and i think what you have meanstioned it is exactly whats happened to me after 2.failed ivf round, i am 36 years old and with low AMH level 0.96 and follicole count 8 in average per month. i have simulated my first ivf cycle with starting 7 days before my period with synerela and second day of my period with Ovaleap 300 per day for almost 10 days and triger shot with oviterelle 250 on day 12 and they could get 5 egg and 3 egg got fertlized but due to the low sperm quality, on day 5 we had to transfer just one 8 cells and in total with no result of pregnancy. the second cycle i have simulated again 7 days before my period with synerela and second day of my period with pergoveries 300 per day. due to the no response of my body we had to continue simulation up to 15 days and have triger shot on day 17 and egg retieval on day 19 of cycle. they have gotten 4 egg and just one of them with icsi got fertilized and made it on day 5 to early blastocyst. but the pregnany result again was negetive. i am living in Germany and unfortunalty not access to you. i would be really appriciate if you can offer me online consultation that you can offer me right protocol. i am totally desprate as no dr around me has any answer for me.i reallyy need your experience and your knowledge. please share the cost and if you can offering this online appointment.
i wish you a very beautiful day.
Thanks so much in advance.
Best,
shafagh
Author
Answer:
Might I suggest that you contact my assistant, Patti converse (702-533-2691) and set up man online consultation with me to discuss you case in depth.
It is primarily the egg (rather than the sperm) that determines the chromosomal integrity (karyotype) of the embryo, the most important determinant of egg/embryo competency”. A “competent” egg is therefore one that has a normal karyotype and has the best potential to propagate a “competent” embryo. In turn, a “competent embryo is one that possesses the highest potential to implant and develop into a normal, healthy, baby.
When it comes to reproductive performance, humans are the least efficient of all mammals. Even in young women under 35y, at best only 2 out of 3 eggs are chromosomally numerically normal (euploid). The remainder will have an irregular number of chromosomes (aneuploid) and are thus “incompetent”. The incidence of egg aneuploidy increases with age such by age 39 years, 3 in 4 are “competent”, and by the mid-forties, at best one in 10 are likely to be aneuploid. The fertilization of an aneuploid egg will inevitably lead to embryo aneuploidy (“incompetence”). As previously stated, an aneuploid embryo cannot propagate a normal pregnancy
Within 38-42 hours of the initiation of the spontaneous pre-ovulatory luteinizing hormone (LH) surge (and also following administration of the human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) “trigger” shot, given to induce egg maturation after ovarian stimulation with fertility drugs), the egg embarks on a rapid maturational process that involves halving of its 46 chromosomes to 23. During this process, (known as meiosis) 23 chromosomes are retained within the nucleus of the egg while the remaining 23 chromosomes are expelled in a membrane envelopment, from the egg nucleus. This small structure known as the polar body, comes to lie immediately below the “shell” of the egg (the zona pellucida) and is known as the 1st polar body or PB-1. The sperm, in the process of its maturation also undergoes meiosis divides into two separate functional gametes, each containing 23 chromosomes (half its original number of 46 chromosomes). With subsequent fertilization, the 23 chromosomes of the egg now fuse with the 23 chromosomes of the mature sperm resulting in the development of an embryo with 46 chromosomes (the normal human genome) comprising a combination of the genetic material from both partners. For the embryo to have exactly 46 chromosomes (the euploid number), both the mature egg and mature spermatozoon must contain exactly 23 chromosomes. Only such euploid embryos are “competent” (capable of developing into healthy babies). Those with an irregular number of chromosomes (aneuploid embryos) are “incompetent” and are incapable of propagating healthy babies. While embryo “incompetence” can result from either egg or sperm aneuploidy, it usually stems from egg aneuploidy. However, in cases of moderate or severe male factor infertility, the sperm’s contribution to aneuploidy of the embryo can be significantly greater.
While embryo ploidy (numerical chromosomal integrity) is not the only determinant of its “competency, it is by far the most important and in fact is a rate-limiting factor in human reproduction. It is causal in the vast majority of cases of “failed nidation which in turn is responsible for most cases of a failed pregnancy (natural or assisted) and causes most sporadic early pregnancy losses (both chemical gestations and miscarriages) as well as many chromosomal birth defects such as Turner syndrome (X-monosomy ) Down syndrome (trisomy 21) and Edward syndrome (trisomy 18) .
In most cases, embryos that develop too slowly as well as those that grow too fast (i.e. ones that by day 3 post-fertilization comprise fewer than 6 cells or more than 9 cells) and/or embryos that contain cell debris or “fragments” are usually aneuploid and are thus unable to propagate a healthy pregnancy (“incompetent”). Additionally, embryos that fail to survive in culture to the blastocyst stage are also almost always aneuploid/”incompetent”.
At a certain point in the later stage of a woman’s reproductive career, the number of remaining eggs in her ovaries falls below a certain threshold, upon which she is unable to respond optimally to fertility drugs. Often times this is signaled by a rising day 3 basal blood follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) level (>9.0MIU/ml) and a falling blood anti-Mullerian hormone (AMH) level (<2.0ng/ml or <15nmol/L). Such women who have diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) produce fewer eggs in response to ovarian stimulation. While DOR is most commonly encountered in women over 40 years of age it can and indeed also can occur in much younger women.
A few important (but often overlooked concepts should be considered in this regard:
- Age: It is advancing chronologic age and NOT declining ovarian reserve (as evidenced by abnormal blood AMH or FSH that results in an increased incidence of egg/embryo “incompetence” due to aneuploidy
- The ovaries and developing eggs of women with DOR (regardless of age) are highly susceptible to the adverse effect of excessive Luteinizing Hormone (LH)-induced, ovarian overproduction of male hormones (e,g. testosterone and androstenedione). While a little testosterone produced by the ovary promotes normal follicle growth and orderly egg development excessive testosterone has a converse effect. That is why in older women and those who regardless of their age have DOR (and thus excessive LH bioavailability and increased ovarian testosterone production), the use of ovarian stimulation protocols that fail to down-regulate LH activity prior to initiating ovarian stimulation with gonadotropins, often prejudices egg/embryo quality and IVF outcome.
- Simply stated, while age is certainly the most important factor in determining the incidence of egg/embryo aneuploidy, women with DOR (regardless of their age), are less likely to propagate euploid (competent) eggs/embryos. While virtually nothing can be done to lower the incidence of age related aneuploidy, it is indeed possible to avoid a further decrease in egg/embryo “competency” by individualizing the protocols of ovarian stimulation used.
- My preferred protocols for women who have relatively normal ovarian reserve:
- The conventional long pituitary down regulation protocol: BCP are commenced early in the cycle and continued for at least 10 days. Starting 3 days before the BCP is to be discontinued, it is overlapped with an agonist such as Lupron 10U daily for three (3) days and continued until menstruation begins (which should ensue within 5-7 days of stopping the BCP). At that point an US examination is done along with a baseline measurement of blood estradiol to exclude a functional ovarian cyst. Daily Lupron (10U) is continued and an FSH-dominant gonadotropin such as Follistim, Puregon or Gonal-f daily is administered daily falong with 37.5U of Menopur (an FSH/LH combination) for 2 days. On the 3rd day the gonadotropin dosage is reduced by about one half and the dosage of Menopur is increased to 75U daily. Daily ultrasound and blood estradiol measurements are conducted starting on the 7th or 8th day of gonadotropin administration and continued until daily ultrasound follicle assessments indicate that most follicles have fully developed. At this point egg maturation is “triggered” using an intramuscular injection of a recombinant hCGr (Ovidrel) 500mcg or urinary derived hCGu (Pregnyl/Profasi/Novarel) 10,000U. And an egg retrieval is scheduled for 36h later.
- The agonist/antagonist conversion protocol (A/ACP): This is essentially the same as the conventional long down regulation protocol (see “a”-as above), except that with the onset of post-BCP menstruation, the agonist is supplanted by daily administration of a GnRH antagonist (e.g. Ganirelix, Cetrotide or Orgalutron) at a dosage of 125-250mcg daily until the day of the “trigger”. When it comes to women who have DOR I favor the use of the A/ACP, adding supplementary human growth hormone (HGH). In cases where the DOR is regarded as severe (AMH=<0.2), I often augment the AACP protocol by using estrogen priming for 7-9 days prior to or with the commencement of gonadotropin therapy; For this I prescribe E2 skin patches or intramuscular estradiol valerate (Delestrogen), prior to or sometimes concurrent with, the commencement of the GnRH antagonist administration.
- The following Ovarian stimulation protocols are in my opinion best avoided in stimulating olderf women and /or thosed who regardless of age , have DOR :
- Microdose agonist (e.g. Lupron) “flare” protocols which result in an out-pouring of pituitary-LH at the critical time that ovarian follicles and eggs start developing/growing.
- High dosages of LH -containing fertility drugs (e.g. Menopur).
- Supplementation with preparations that are testosterone-based
- Supplementation with DHEA (which is converted to testosterone in the ovaries.
- Clomiphene citrate or Letrozole which cause increased release of LH and thus increase ovarian male hormone (testosterone and androstenedione output.
- “Triggering” egg maturation using too low a dosage of hCG (e.g. 5,000U rather than 10,000U) or Ovidrel (e.g. 250mcg of Ovidrel rather than 500mcg)
- “Triggering” women who have DOR, with an agonist (alone)such as Lupron Superfact/ Buserelin/Aminopeptidyl/Decapeptyl.
- Preimplantation Genetic Screening (PGS):
The introduction of preimplantation genetic testing/screening (PGT/PGS) for e permits identification of all the chromosomes in the egg and embryo (full karyotyping) allowing for the identification of the most “competent” (euploid) embryos for selective transfer to the uterus. This vastly improves the efficiency and success of the IVF process and renders us fare better equipped us to manage older women and those who regardless of their age, have DOR.
Please visit my new Blog on this very site, www. SherIVF.com, find the “search bar” and type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly
- Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
- IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
- The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
- Ovarian Stimulation for IVF using GnRH Antagonists: Comparing the Agonist/Antagonist Conversion Protocol.(A/ACP) With the “Conventional” Antagonist Approach
- Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
- The “Biological Clock” and how it should Influence the Selection and Design of Ovarian Stimulation Protocols for IVF.
- A Rational Basis for selecting Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) protocols in women with Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR)
- Diagnosing and Treating Infertility due to Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR)
- Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in Older women and Women who have Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR): A Rational Basis for Selecting a Stimulation Protocol
- Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
- The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
- Blastocyst Embryo Transfers Should be the Standard of Care in IVF
- Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET) versus “Fresh” ET: How to Make the Decision
- Frozen Embryo Transfer (FET): A Rational Approach to Hormonal Preparation and How new Methodology is Impacting IVF.
- Staggered IVF: An Excellent Option When. Advancing Age and Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR) Reduces IVF Success Rate
- Embryo Banking/Stockpiling: Slows the “Biological Clock” and offers a Selective Alternative to IVF-Egg Donation.
- Preimplantation Genetic Testing (PGS) in IVF: It Should be Used Selectively and NOT be Routine.
- Preimplantation Genetic Sampling (PGS) Using: Next Generation Gene Sequencing (NGS): Method of Choice.
- PGS in IVF: Are Some Chromosomally Abnormal Embryos Capable of Resulting in Normal Babies and Being Wrongly Discarded?
- PGS and Assessment of Egg/Embryo “competency”: How Method, Timing and Methodology Could Affect Reliability
- Treating Out-of-State and Out-of-Country Patients at Sher-IVF in Las Vegas:
- Traveling for IVF from Out of State/Country–
- A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF
- How Many Embryos should be transferred: A Critical Decision in IVF.
- The Role of Nutritional Supplements in Preparing for IVF
- Premature Luteinization (“the premature LH surge): Why it happens and how it can be prevented.
- IVF Egg Donation: A Comprehensive Overview
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ADDENDUM: PLEASE READ!!
INTRODUCING SHER FERTILITY SOLUTIONS (SFS)
Founded in April 2019, Sher Fertility Solutions (SFS) offers online (Skype/FaceTime) consultations to patients from > 40 different countries. All consultations are followed by a detailed written report presenting my personal recommendations for treatment of what often constitute complex Reproductive Issues.
If you wish to schedule an online consultation with me, please contact my assistant (Patti Converse) by phone (800-780-7437/702-533-2691), email (concierge@SherIVF.com) or, enroll online on then home-page of my website (www.SherIVF.com).
Geoffrey Sher MD
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
I am attaching online links to two E-books which I recently co-authored with my partner at SFS-NY (Drew Tortoriello MD)……. for your reading pleasure:
1.From In Vitro Fertilization to Family: A Journey with Sher Fertility Solutions (SFS) “
https://sherfertilitysolutions.com/sher-fertility-solutions-ebook.pdf
- “Recurrent Pregnancy Loss and Unexplained IVF Failure: The Immunologic Link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iYKz-EkAjMqwMa1ZcufIloRdxnAfDH8L/view
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Ivf failure
Name: Martam C
Hi Dr
I am 30 years
I had failed Ivf 3 times .
Recently undergone Ivf and freezes 18 eggs .
I have high AMH and bulky ovary. Should I go ahead and do Ivf cycle scheduled May or postponed to decrease AMH and then do.
Kindly advice. Can AMH high decrease the chance of implation.
Author
Answer:
The high AMH is no reason to postpone!
Geoff Sher
31y, normal AMH, no blasts after 3 rounds
Name: Macy S
Hi Dr. Sher,
I started IVF when I was 30y/o and did 1 round with the standard antagonist protocol in March 2022 at CCRM Houston (BCP priming, 225u follistim, 2 vials menopur, ganirelix, combo trigger, dexamethasone qd). Stimmed for 8 days, peak estrogen was 3299, and numbers were 13 retrieved, 8 mature, 7 fert, all arrested at day 3. The very next cycle we decided to try again with a flare protocol (225u follistim, 3 vials menopur (dropped down to 2 after 3 days), 20u lupron bid, HGH 0.4 mL qd, dexamethasone, HCG trigger), stimmed for 9 days, peak estrogen 4190, and numbers were 11, 9, 6, and again all arrested. We did, however transfer 2 day 3’s fresh and got a chemical.
After this, we decided to switch clinics because our doctor said that he did not know what else to try with me and I would be better off trying naturally. The third time in October 2022 we did long lupron with estrogen, aygestin, and testosterone priming. Protocol was 300 follistim, 3 vials menopur, lupron 10u qhs and HCG trigger. Stimmed for 11 days, peak E2 was 1831. Numbers this time were 9, 4 mature, 3 fert, and we decided to freeze them at day 3 instead of letting to grow to blast. These 3 showed >50% fragmentation and was recommended we discard, but allowed me to freeze them against their recommendation.
I have hashimoto’s and celiac disease, questionable PCOS and on metformin, AMH between 3-6, AFC 11-16, and just had surgery with Dr. Vidali in NYC and was diagnosed with stage 4 deep endo to the bowel with left hydrosalpinx. I realize this is a loaded question but I am getting conflicting opinions on what to do next. Is there any truth to high FSH doses being detrimental to eggs/would minimal IVF stimulation be better for egg quality? What would be your recommendation for our next IVF protocol?
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Answer:
I believe that your problem can be resolved! We should talk…….. I suggest that you call my assistant, Patti Converse (702-533-2691) and set up an online consultation with me to discuss your case in depth.
While age and ovarian reserve can and do affect egg quality, these are in my opinion NOT likely to be factors here. In addition, the protocols used for ovarian stimulation can profoundly affect egg/embryo quality. The type(s) of medications used as well as their compilations and dosages, the length (duration) of stimulation, the timing and type of “trigger implemented are some of many factors that can affect egg development, competency and the quality of the embryos propagated. ,
Simply stated,: Many factors that profoundly influence egg quality; such as the genetic recruitment of eggs for use in an upcoming cycle, the woman’s age and her ovarian reserve, are our outside of our control. On the other hand the protocol for controlled ovarian stimulation (COS) can also profoundly influence egg/embryo development and this is indeed chosen by the treating physician.
First; it should be understood that the most important determinant of fertilization potential, embryo development and blastocyst generation, is the numerical chromosomal integrity of the egg (While sperm quality does play a role, in the absence of moderate to severe sperm dysfunction this is (moderate or severe male factor infertility a relatively small one). Human eggs have the highest rate of numerical chromosomal irregularities (aneuploidy) of all mammals. In fact only about half the eggs of women in their twenties or early thirties, have the required number of chromosomes (euploid), without which upon fertilization the cannot propagate a normal pregnancy. As the woman advances into and beyond her mid-thirties, the percentage of eggs euploid eggs declines progressively such that by the age of 40 years, only about one out of seven or eight are likely to be chromosomally normal and by the time she reaches her mid-forties less than one in ten of her eggs will be euploid.
Second; embryos that fail to develop into blastocysts are almost always aneuploid and not worthy of being transferred to the uterus because they will either not implant, will miscarry or could even result in a chromosomally abnormal baby (e.g. Down syndrome). However, it is incorrect to assume that all embryos reaching the blastocyst stage will be euploid (“competent”). ). It is true that since many aneuploid embryos are lost during development and that those failing to survive to the blastocyst stage are far more likely to be competent than are earlier (cleaved) embryos. What is also true is that the older the woman who produces the eggs, the less likely it is that a given blastocyst will be “competent”. As an example, a morphologically pristine blastocyst derived from the egg of a 30 year old woman would have about a 50:50 chance of being euploid and a 30% chance of propagating a healthy, normal baby, while a microscopically comparable blastocyst derived through fertilization of the eggs from a 40 year old, would be about half as likely to be euploid and/or propagate a healthy baby.
While the effect of species on the potential of eggs to be euploid at ovulation is genetically preordained and nothing we do can alter this equation, there is unfortunately a lot we can (often unwittingly) do to worsen the situation by selecting a suboptimal protocol of controlled ovarian stimulation (COS). This, by creating an adverse intraovarian hormonal environment will often disrupt normal egg development and lead to a higher incidence of egg aneuploidy than otherwise might have occurred. Older women, women with diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) and those with polycystic ovarian syndrome are especially vulnerable in this regard.
During the normal, ovulation cycle, ovarian hormonal changes are regulated to avoid irregularities in production and interaction that could adversely influence follicle development and egg quality. As an example, small amounts of androgens (male hormones such as testosterone), that are produced by the ovarian stroma (tissue surrounding ovarian follicles) during the pre-ovulatory phase of the cycle enhance late follicle development, estrogen production by the granulosa cells (that line the inner walls of follicles), and egg maturation. However, over-production of testosterone can adversely influence the same processes. It follows that COS protocols should be individualized and geared toward optimizing follicle growth and development time while avoiding excessive ovarian androgen (primarily testosterone) production and that the “trigger shot” should be carefully selected and timed.
In summary it is important to understand the influence species, age of the woman as well as the effect of the COS protocol can have on egg/embryo quality and thus on IVF outcome. The selection of an individualized protocol for ovarian stimulation is one of the most important decisions that the RE has to make and this becomes even more relevant when dealing with older women, those with DOR and women with PCOS. Such factors will in large part determine fertilization potential, the rate of blastocyst generation and indeed IVF outcome.
Geoff Sher
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
I am attaching online links to two E-books which I recently co-authored with my partner at SFS-NY (Drew Tortoriello MD)……. for your reading pleasure:
1.From In Vitro Fertilization to Family: A Journey with Sher Fertility Solutions (SFS) “
https://sherfertilitysolutions.com/sher-fertility-solutions-ebook.pdf
- “Recurrent Pregnancy Loss and Unexplained IVF Failure: The Immunologic Link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iYKz-EkAjMqwMa1ZcufIloRdxnAfDH8L/view
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ritaraftery@yahoo.com
Name: Rita R
Dr. Tortoriello, I very much hope you can help me. I worked in NYC some years back and was a patient of Michael Bennett. I’m 67 and badly need his skill set at this time. However, I am unable to successfully locate him via the internet and I’m hoping you will kindly direct me. I deeply appreciate any assistance you can offer.
Kindly
Rita Raftery
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Answer:
I do not know whether Dr T will pick this up here. I suggest you contact him directly by calling SFS-NY
Geoff Sher