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My Bhcg on first blood test is 1377 and after two days it’s 3599. It’s my 4th week is it normal?
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Beta hcg values
Name: Blessy J
Hi
My Bhcg on first blood test is 1377 and after two days it’s 3599. It’s my 4th week is it normal?
Please help
Answer:
Normal!
Going through IVF is a major investment, emotionally, physically, and financially, for every patient or couple. One of the most crucial moments is receiving the result of the blood test for human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) pregnancy. It’s a big deal! The days after the embryo transfer, waiting for this result, can be extremely stressful. That’s why it’s crucial for the IVF doctor and staff to handle this information with care and professionalism. They should be accessible to the patient/couple and provide results promptly and sensitively.
Testing urine or blood to check for human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) is the best way to confirm pregnancy. Urine tests are cheaper and more commonly used. They are also more convenient because they can be done anywhere. However, blood tests are more reliable and sensitive than urine tests. They can detect pregnancy earlier and at lower hCG levels. Blood tests are also more accurate and can track changes in hCG levels over time. Urine tests can detect hCG when blood levels are above 20IU, which is about 16-18 days after ovulation or 2-3 days after a missed period. Blood tests can measure any concentration of hCG about 12-13 days after ovulation.
Detecting hCG in the blood early on and tracking its increase is especially useful for women undergoing fertility treatments like controlled ovarian stimulation or in vitro fertilization. The sooner hCG is detected and measured, the more information can be gathered about the success of implantation and the health of the developing embryo.
Typically, two beta hCG blood tests are done, spaced 2-4 days apart. It’s best to wait for the results of the second test before reporting on the pregnancy. This is because an initial result can change, even from equivocal or negative to positive. Sometimes a normal embryo takes longer to implant, and the hCG level can be initially low or undetectable. Regardless of the initial level, the test should be repeated after two days to check for a significant rise in hCG. A significant rise usually indicates that an embryo is implanting, which suggests a possible pregnancy. Waiting for the second test result helps avoid conveying false hope or disappointment.
It’s important to note that beta hCG levels don’t double every two days throughout pregnancy. Once the levels rise above 4,000U, they tend to increase more slowly. Except in specific cases like IVF using an egg donor or transfer of genetically tested embryos, the birth rate following IVF in younger women is around 40% per embryo transfer. Patients need to have realistic expectations and should be informed about how and when they will receive the news, as well as counseling in case of a negative outcome.
When an embryo starts to implant, it releases the pregnancy hormone hCG into the woman’s bloodstream. Around 12 days after egg retrieval, 9 days after a day 3 embryo transfer, or 7 days after a blastocyst transfer, a woman should have a quantitative beta hCG blood pregnancy test performed. By that time, most of the hCG injected to prepare the eggs for retrieval should have cleared from the bloodstream. So, if the test detects more than 10 IU of hCG per ml of blood, it indicates that the embryo has attempted to implant. In third-party IVF (e.g., ovum donation, gestational surrogacy, embryo adoption, or frozen embryo transfers), no hCG trigger is administered, so any amount of hCG detected in the blood is considered significant.
Sometimes, there is a slow initial rise in hCG between the first and second tests (failure to double every 48 hours). In such cases, a third and sometimes a fourth hCG test should be done at two-day intervals. A failure to double on the third and/or fourth test is a poor sign and could indicate a failed or dysfunctional implantation. In some cases, a progressively slow rising hCG level might indicate an ectopic pregnancy, which requires additional testing and follow-up.
In certain situations, the first beta hCG level starts high, drops with the second test, and then starts doubling again. This could suggest that initially, multiple embryos started to implant but only one survived to continue a healthy implantation.
It’s customary for the IVF clinic staff to inform the patient/couple and the referring physician about the hCG pregnancy test results. Often, the IVF physician or nurse-coordinator coordinates with the referring physician to arrange all necessary pregnancy tests. If the patient/couple prefer to make their own arrangements, the program should provide detailed instructions.
In some cases, when the two blood pregnancy tests show that one or more embryos are implanting, certain programs recommend daily injections of progesterone or the use of vaginal hormone suppositories for several weeks to support the implantation process. Others give hCG injections three times a week until the pregnancy can be confirmed by ultrasound examination. Some IVF programs don’t prescribe any hormones after the embryo transfer.
Patients with appropriate doubling of hCG levels within two days after frozen embryo transfer (FET) or third-party IVF procedures such as surrogacy or egg donation may receive estradiol and progesterone injections, often along with vaginal hormone suppositories, for 10 weeks after the implantation is diagnosed by blood pregnancy testing.
A positive Beta hCG blood pregnancy test indicates the possibility of conception, but ultrasound confirmation is needed to confirm the pregnancy. Until then, it is referred to as a “chemical pregnancy.” Only when ultrasound examination confirms the presence of a gestational sac, clinical examination establishes a viable pregnancy, or after abortion when products of conception are detected, is it called a clinical intrauterine pregnancy.
A significantly elevated hCG blood level without concomitant detection of an gestational sac inside the uterus by ultrasound after 5 weeks gestation raises the suspicion of an ectopic (tubal) pregnancy.
The risk of miscarriage gradually decreases once a viable clinical pregnancy is diagnosed (a conceptus with a regular heartbeat of 110-180 beats per minute). From this point onward, the risk of miscarriage is usually 10- 15% for women under 40 years old and around 35% for women in their early forties.
Dealing with successful IVF cases is relatively easy as everyone feels happy and validated. The real challenge lies in handling unsuccessful cases. Setting rational expectations from the beginning is crucial. In some cases (fortunately rare), emotional pressure may overwhelm the patient/couple, leading to a need for counseling or psychiatric therapy. I always advise my patients that receiving optimal care doesn’t always guarantee the desired outcome. There are many variables beyond our control, especially the unpredictable nature of fate. With around 36 years of experience in this field, I strongly believe that when it comes to IVF, the saying “man proposes while God disposes” always holds.
There are a few important things to consider when interpreting blood hCG levels. Levels can vary widely, ranging from 5mIU/ml to over 400mIU/ml, 10 days after ovulation or egg retrieval. The levels double every 48-72 hours until the 6th week of pregnancy, after which the doubling rate slows down to about 96 hours. By the end of the 1st trimester, hCG levels reach 13,000-290,000 IU and then slowly decline to around 26,000-300,000 IU at full term. Here are the average hCG levels during the first trimester:
- 3 weeks after the last menstrual period (LMP): 5-50 IU
- 4 weeks LMP: 5-426 IU
- 5 weeks LMP: 18-7,340 IU
- 6 weeks LMP: 1,080-56,500 IU
- 7-8 weeks LMP: 7,650-229,000 IU
- 9-12 weeks LMP: 25,700-288,000 IU
Most doctors wait until around the 7th week to perform an ultrasound to confirm pregnancy. By that time, the heartbeat should be clearly visible, providing a more reliable assessment of the pregnancy’s viability.
In some cases, blood hCG levels can be unusually high or increase faster than normal. This could indicate multiple pregnancies or a molar pregnancy. Rarely, conditions unrelated to pregnancy, such as certain ovarian tumors or cancers, can cause detectable hCG levels in both blood and urine.
To summarize, testing urine or blood for hCG is the most reliable way to confirm pregnancy. Urine tests are more common and convenient, while blood tests are more accurate and can detect pregnancy earlier. Tracking hCG levels in the blood is especially important for women undergoing fertility treatments. It’s essential to wait for the results of a second blood test before confirming pregnancy to avoid false hope or disappointment. Interpreting hCG levels requires considering various factors, and doctors usually perform an ultrasound around the 7th week for a more accurate assessment. Unusually high hCG levels may indicate multiple pregnancies or other conditions unrelated to pregnancy. Providing sensitive and timely communication of results is crucial for IVF clinics to support patients through the emotional journey.
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
I am attaching online links to two E-books which I recently co-authored with my partner at SFS-NY (Drew Tortoriello MD)……. for your reading pleasure:
1.From In Vitro Fertilization to Family: A Journey with Sher Fertility Solutions (SFS) “
https://sherfertilitysolutions.com/sher-fertility-solutions-ebook.pdf
- “Recurrent Pregnancy Loss and Unexplained IVF Failure: The Immunologic Link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iYKz-EkAjMqwMa1ZcufIloRdxnAfDH8L/view
If you are interested in having an online consultation with me, please contact my assistant, Patti Converse at 702-533-2691 or email her at concierge@sherivf.com
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Urea plasma parvum
Name: Fatima S
Hello I am a 31 year old female I have two children ages 11 and 14, I don’t have any symptoms. My doc says I carry urea plasma parvum , we have tried to treat this year’s ago as they never used to test for it . And it’s only this one strain now that I’m ttc, and just experienced a chemical through IVF,I am worried it’s from this pathogen. I was told him I natural carrier of it.
Author
Answer:
I am no expert, but to my knowledge, the one to be concerned about is ureaplasma urealyticum.
Ureaplasma urealyticum is a bacterium that belongs to the mycoplasma family. It can be detected in the reproductive tract of as many as 40% of individuals (male and female). Ureaplasma probably does not prevent normal conception in the majority of cases, because by and large, the uterine cavity remains free of such pathogenic bacteria even in women whose cervical mucous cultures positive for the organism. However, when present in the woman’s cervical secretions, the organism can be unintentionally dragged into the uterine cavity through introduction of a catheter into the uterus at the time of embryo transfer (ET) or intrauterine insemination (IUI). Molecular biologists have shown that contamination of rapidly growing cell cultures, by this organism and its close “relative”, mycoplasma hominis rapidly destroys such cells. The implanting embryo is indeed an example of an organism that comprises rapidly growing cells in a biological culture medium (the uterine lining), and as such, the cells of the trophoblast that form the “root system” of the embryo are vulnerable to intrauterine infection with Ureaplasma. However, even if the uterine cavity were to become infected, the infection willl be purged with the shedding of the infected lining at the time of the next menstruation.
While , aside from a non-specific vaginal discharge, infection with Ureaplasma rarely produces symptoms in the woman, it sometimes causes symptomatic prostatitis or epydidimitis in men. Although ureaplasma can be transmitted from one partner to the other by sexual intercourse, it may also be acquired by other means, since a large percentage of couples in monogamous relationships will culture positive for the organism. It is very difficult for the organism to grow in the laboratory. Accordingly, the reproductive secretions of both partners should be evaluated (sperm and cervical mucus) individually. Successful culturing of ureaplasma requires a specialized media in which the specimens can be transported safely from the physician’s office to the microbiology laboratory.
If both partners culture negative, we can assume that there is no infection present. However, if one partner cultures positive and the other negative, we would err on the side of caution, by assuming that the negative result was caused by the difficulty in culturing the organism. When ureaplasma is detected in the reproductive secretions of either partner, both should be treated concurrently with the appropriate antibiotic (doxycycline, zithromax, erythromycin, ciprofloxin, or metronidazole; cleomycin).
Unfortunately, in approximately 30-40% of couples infected ureaplasma urealyticum, the bacteria will have built resistance to mainstay traditional antibiotics such as tetracyclines (e.g. doxycycline) and erythromycin (e.g. Zythromax) derivatives. In such cases, ciprofloxin or metronidazole (Flagyl) therapy might be needed. This is the reason that we prefer to document cure by reculturing each partner prior to beginning ovarian stimulation for an IVF cycle.
Several authors have shown a difference in pregnancy rates among patients with ureaplasma infection who were treated with antibiotics and those who were not. Other reports have not been able to identify an effect on outcome from ureaplasma infection. Thus, until the final verdict is in regarding the roll of ureaplasma with regard to its effect on IVF implantation, we prefer to err on the side of caution and ensure that this organism is absent in cervical secretions and semen before transferring embryos. To this end, my patients all receive prophylactic antibiotic therapy around the time of embryo transfer. This is administered as oral ciprofloxin. A day or two prior to embryo transfer, vaginal cleomycin suppositories are added.
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
I am attaching online links to two E-books which I recently co-authored with my partner at SFS-NY (Drew Tortoriello MD)……. for your reading pleasure:
1.From In Vitro Fertilization to Family: A Journey with Sher Fertility Solutions (SFS) “
https://sherfertilitysolutions.com/sher-fertility-solutions-ebook.pdf
- “Recurrent Pregnancy Loss and Unexplained IVF Failure: The Immunologic Link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iYKz-EkAjMqwMa1ZcufIloRdxnAfDH8L/view
If you are interested in having an online consultation with me, please contact my assistant, Patti Converse at 702-533-2691 or email her at concierge@sherivf.com
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Do I need to go for another Beta HCG test?
Name: Sana Z
Hello doctor,
I recently get to know that I am 4 weeks pregnant. My last periods date was 10th June 2023. On Saturday (8th july), I undergo for beta hcg test and I got 205.3 result. So, do I need to go for another hcg test before consulting any Gynaecologist?
Regards
Author
Answer:
In my opinion, if the levels have been increasing appropriately, there is no need. Do an US in 2-3 weeks for confirmation.
Geoff Sher
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Lots of immature eggs
Name: E J
Hi,
I have done 4 rounds of egg freezing at 3 different clinics.
First round- 30 follicles growing, 15 retrieved but only 6 mature. I believe I was triggered to early as the majority of eggs were less than 16mm on day of trigger (only 6 were above). 375 gonal f and trigger of ovitrelle.
Second cycle. New clinic. Less follicles growing, 8 retrieved, 7 mature. The eighth one was matured in the lab for 2 hours and became mature so they froze that too. Dosage changed daily based on bloods but was around 150 Fostimon and 150 Meriofert. Trigger 10000 gonasi.
I then moved to a clinic abroad as I’m an expat so chose a clinic closer to me than my home country (U.K.)
Third cycle- about 14 follicles growing, 12 retrieved, 7 mature. They froze the 5 immature ones as well and will thaw these earlier when I come to use them to see if they can mature in the lab. 300 gonal f and 150 menopur. Dual trigger of 0.2 decapatyl and 7500 hcg.
Forth cycle- 21 follicles growing, 14 retrieved, 8 mature. They have again also frozen the 6 immature eggs. 300 folliculin and 150 humog. Trigger 0.2 decapatyl and around 8000 hcg.
My AMH never stays consistent. It has gone from 8.2 to 6.4, to 2.9 and then up to 9.6. No doctor can suggest why my AMH fluctuates. Instead they said to focus on the fact I get around 7 mature eggs each cycle.
My first 3 cycles were completed at the age of 34. And my last cycle at the age of 35 and 2 months.
My questions:
Why am I getting so many immature eggs? Does this suggest that my egg quality is poor? Should I also be concerned about the quality of my mature eggs? I’ve been told they look good quality.
How likely is it that the immature eggs will mature after thawing? Was there any point in the clinic freezing them?
Will 28/29 mature eggs be enough to give me the best chances of at least two children. Ideally I always wanted more children but I guess I need to rely on also getting pregnant naturally to give me the best chances. Should I consider another round?
Why does my AMH fluctuate?
In an ideal world I would have liked to have frozen a couple of years earlier but Covid meant this wasn’t possible. So it left me doing my cycles at the age of 34/35.
Any professional insight you have would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks,
Emma
Author
Answer:
It seems as if you have produced enough “mature” eggs to give you a shot. However, as to the reason for so many immature egg cells, consider the following:
One of the commonest questions asked by patients undergoing IVF relates to the likelihood of their eggs fertilizing and the likely “quality of their eggs and embryos. This is also one of the most difficult questions to answer. On the one hand many factors that profoundly influence egg quality; such as the genetic recruitment of eggs for use in an upcoming cycle, the woman’s age and her ovarian reserve, are our outside of our control. On the other hand the protocol for controlled ovarian stimulation (COS) can also profoundly influence egg/embryo development and this is indeed chosen by the treating physician.
First, it should be understood that the most important determinant of fertilization potential, embryo development and blastocyst generation, is the numerical chromosomal integrity of the egg. While sperm quality does play a role, this is a relatively minor one unless there is severe sperm dysfunction. Human eggs have the highest rate of numerical chromosomal irregularities (aneuploidy) of all mammals. In fact, only about two thirds of the eggs of women in their twenties or early thirties, have the required number of chromosomes (euploid), without which upon fertilization they cannot propagate a normal pregnancy. As the woman advances into and beyond her mid-thirties, the percentage of eggs that are euploid declines progressively such that by the age of 40 years, only about one out of five or six eggs is likely to be chromosomally normal and by the time she reaches her mid-forties less than one in ten of her eggs will be euploid. This is due to the effect of “wear and tear” on eggs that are in the ovaries from before birth and which once they are gone, no treatment can replenish .
Second; embryos that fail to develop into blastocysts are almost always aneuploid and not worthy of being transferred to the uterus because they will either not implant, will miscarry or propagate a chromosomally abnormal baby (e.g. Down syndrome). However, it is incorrect to assume that all embryos reaching the blastocyst stage will be euploid (“competent”). Bear in mind that a high percentage of aneuploid embryos will succumb during early development and never attain blastocyst status while the few that do reach blastocyst might appear to morphologically normal while in fact they are aneuploid. It is a fact that embryos which fail to develop into blastocysts within 6 days of fertilization are almost invariably aneuploid and “incompetent “. It follows that blastocysts are far more likely to be competent than are earlier (cleaved embryos). What is also true is that the older the woman, the less likely it is that any given blastocyst will be “competent”. As an example, a morphologically pristine blastocyst derived from the egg of a 30-year-old woman would have about a 50:50 chance of being euploid and a 30% chance of propagating a healthy, normal baby, while a microscopically comparable blastocyst-derived through fertilization of the eggs from a 40+year-old, would be far less likely to be euploid and/or capable of propagating a healthy baby.
While the effect of species on the potential of eggs to be euploid at ovulation is genetically preordained and nothing we do can alter this equation, there is, unfortunately, a lot we can (often unwittingly) do to worsen the situation by selecting a suboptimal protocol of controlled ovarian stimulation (COS). This, by creating an adverse intraovarian hormonal environment will often disrupt normal egg development and lead to a higher incidence of egg aneuploidy than otherwise might have occurred. Older women, women with diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) and those with polycystic ovarian syndrome are especially vulnerable in this regard .It is believed that this is in large part is attributable to increased LH- induced over-production of ovarian testosterone which is common in older women, those who (regardless of their age) have DOR and in most women who have PCOS.
During the normal, ovulation cycle, small amounts of androgens (male hormones such as testosterone), are produced by the ovarian stroma (tissue surrounding ovarian follicles). Testosterone is vital for follicular growth and egg development. However, over-production of testosterone often has the reversed effect and can adversely affect follicle growth, egg development and IVF outcome. It is thus essential that ovarian stimulation protocols be tailored and individualized so as to avoid exposure to excessive ovarian androgen (testosterone) so as to optimize follicle growth and egg development. It is in my opinion, also important to avoid the administration of androgens (testosterone-containing drugs), the administration products that can provoke additional LH production by the pituitary gland (e.g., Lupron/Buserelin/Superfact/clomiphene/Letrozole) as well as overdosing with LH-containing fertility drugs (e.g., Menopur and Luveris), in older women, those with DOR and in cases of PCOS.
In summary, it is important to understand the influence species, age of the woman as well as the effect of the COS protocol can have on egg/embryo quality and thus on IVF outcome. The selection of an individualized protocol for ovarian stimulation is one of the most important decisions that the RE has to make and this becomes even more relevant when dealing with older women, those with diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) and women with PCOS. Such factors will in large part determine egg competency, fertilization potential, the rate of blastocyst generation and indeed IVF outcome.
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
I am attaching online links to two E-books which I recently co-authored with my partner at SFS-NY (Drew Tortoriello MD)……. for your reading pleasure:
1.From In Vitro Fertilization to Family: A Journey with Sher Fertility Solutions (SFS) “
https://sherfertilitysolutions.com/sher-fertility-solutions-ebook.pdf
- “Recurrent Pregnancy Loss and Unexplained IVF Failure: The Immunologic Link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iYKz-EkAjMqwMa1ZcufIloRdxnAfDH8L/view
If you are interested in having an online consultation with me, please contact my assistant, Patti Converse at 702-533-2691 or email her at concierge@sherivf.com
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Ectopic pregnancy
Name: Marian sanu S
What does 243,35 mIU/mL means ?
Author
Answer:
Not sure what was being measured and when??
Geoff Sher
Slow follicular growth
Name: Polona Tara B
Hi, can an estrogen priming ( 5 days before my period )or taking hGh 8 weeks prior to stimulation and during stimulation cause slower growth of follicles? My forth stimulation protocol is the same as the previos three ( third one was 3 months ago, the first and second two years), but my follicles are not growing. I’m taking Gonal f and Menopur (from day 4.). They increased the dose of Gonal f, but still going nowhere, it’ s day 11 of stimulation. Thank you for your answer. Polona
Author
Answer:
In my opinion, estrogen priming, by suppressing FSH, can suppress antral follicle formation and son delay follicle growth and development.
Geoff Sher
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
I am attaching online links to two E-books which I recently co-authored with my partner at SFS-NY (Drew Tortoriello MD)……. for your reading pleasure:
1.From In Vitro Fertilization to Family: A Journey with Sher Fertility Solutions (SFS) “
https://sherfertilitysolutions.com/sher-fertility-solutions-ebook.pdf
- “Recurrent Pregnancy Loss and Unexplained IVF Failure: The Immunologic Link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iYKz-EkAjMqwMa1ZcufIloRdxnAfDH8L/view
If you are interested in having an online consultation with me, please contact my assistant, Patti Converse at 702-533-2691 or email her at concierge@sherivf.com
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