The question
Hi doctor Sher
During my egg retrieval yesterday they only found some cumulus cells no oocytes. What does this mean? Can there be cumulus cells without eggs?
Answer from Dr. Geoffrey Sher
There is in my opinion no such entity as “Empty Follicle Syndrome”. All follicles contain eggs. Failure to access those eggs at ER can often be a result of the protocol used for controlled ovarian stimulation (COS.
Not infrequently, when following vigorous and often repeated flushing of follicles at egg retrieval they fail to yield eggs, it is ascribed to the “empty follicle syndrome”. This is a gross misnomer because all follicles contain eggs so it did not happen because the follicles were “empty”. Most likely it was because they would/could not yield the eggs they harbored. This situation is most commonly seen in older women, women who have severely diminished ovarian reserve and in women with polycystic ovarian syndrome and in my opinion, it often preventable when an optimal, individualized and strategic protocol for controlled ovarian stimulation (COS) is employed and the correct timing and dosage is applied to the “hCG trigger” shot.
Normally, following optimal ovarian stimulation, the hCG “trigger shot” is given for the purpose of it triggering meiosis (reproductive division) that is intended to halve the number of chromosomes from 46 to 23 within 32-36 hours. The hCG “trigger also enables the egg to signal the “cumulus cells” that bind it firmly to the inner wall of the follicle (through enzymatic activity), to loosen or disperse such that the egg can detach and readily be captured at egg retrieval (ER). Ordinarily, normal eggs (and even those with only one or two chromosomal irregularities) will readily detach and be captured with the very first attempt to empty of a follicle. Eggs that have several chromosomal numerical abnormalities (i.e., are “complex aneuploid”) are often unable to facilitate this process. This explains why when the egg is complex aneuploid its follicle will not yield an egg…and why, when it requires repeated flushing of a follicle to harvest an egg, it is highly suggestive of it being aneuploid and thus “incompetent” (i.e., incapable of subsequently propagating a normal embryo).
Older women, women with diminished ovarian reserve and those with polycystic ovarian syndrome, tend to have more biologically active LH in circulation. LH cause production of male hormone (androgens, predominantly testosterone, by ovarian connective tissue (stroma/theca). A little testosterone is needed for optimal follicle development and for FSH-induced oogenesis’ (egg development. Too much LH activity compromises the latter and eggs so affected, are far more likely to be aneuploid, following meiosis. Women with the above conditions have increased LH activity and are thus more likely to produce excessive ovarian testosterone. It follows that sustained, premature elevations in LH elevations or premature luteinization (often referred to as a “premature LH surge”) will prejudice egg development. Such compromised eggs are much more likely to end up being complex aneuploid following the administration of the “hCG trigger” leading to failed and the so called “empty follicle syndrome”
Since the developing eggs of women who have increased LH activity [older women, women with diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) and those with PCOS] are inordinately vulnerable to the effects of protracted exposure to LH-induced ovarian testosterone. Also, the administration of medications that provoke further pituitary LH release (e.g., clomiphene and Letrozole) and drugs that contain LH or hCG (e.g., Menopur; or protocols of ovarian stimulation the provoke increase exposure to the woman’s own pituitary LH (e.g., "flare-agonist protocols” and the use of “late pituitary blockade (antagonists) protocols can be prejudicial. The importance of individualizing COS protocol selection, precision with regard to the dosage and type of hCG trigger used and the timing of its administration in such cases, cannot be overstated. The ideal dosage of urinary-derived hCG (hCG-u) such as Novarel, Pregnyl and Profasi is 10,000U. When recombinant DNA-derived hCG(hCG-r) such as Ovidrel is used, the optimal dosage is 500mcg. A lower dosage of hCG can by compromising meiosis, increase the risk of egg aneuploidy and thus of IVF outcome.
I strongly recommend that you visit www.DrGeoffreySherIVF.com. Then go to my Blog and access the “search bar”. Type in the titles of any/all of the articles listed below, one by one. “Click” and you will immediately be taken to those you select. Please also take the time to post any questions or comments with the full expectation that I will (as always) respond promptly.
- Implications of “Empty Follicle Syndrome and “Premature Luteinization”
- Premature Luteinization (“the premature LH surge): Why it happens and how it can be prevented.
- Fertility Preservation (FP) Through Freezing/Banking Human Eggs
- The IVF Journey: The importance of “Planning the Trip” Before Taking the Ride”
- Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) for IVF: Selecting the ideal protocol
- IVF: Factors Affecting Egg/Embryo “competency” during Controlled Ovarian Stimulation(COS)
- The Fundamental Requirements For Achieving Optimal IVF Success
- Use of GnRH Antagonists (Ganirelix/Cetrotide/Orgalutron) in IVF-Ovarian Stimulation Protocols.
- Anti Mullerian Hormone (AMH) Measurement to Assess Ovarian Reserve and Design the Optimal Protocol for Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in IVF.
- The “Biological Clock” and how it should Influence the Selection and Design of Ovarian Stimulation Protocols for IVF.
- A Rational Basis for selecting Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) protocols in women with Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR)
- Diagnosing and Treating Infertility due to Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR)
- Ovarian Stimulation in Women Who have Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR): Introducing the Agonist/Antagonist Conversion protocol
- Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS) in Older women and Women who have Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR): A Rational Basis for Selecting a Stimulation Protocol
- Optimizing Response to Ovarian Stimulation in Women with Compromised Ovarian Response to Ovarian Stimulation: A Personal Approach.
- Egg Maturation in IVF: How Egg “Immaturity”, “Post-maturity” and “Dysmaturity” Influence IVF Outcome:
- Commonly Asked Question in IVF: “Why Did so Few of my Eggs Fertilize and, so Many Fail to Reach Blastocyst?”
- Human Growth Hormone Administration in IVF: Does it Enhances Egg/Embryo Quality and Outcome?
- The BCP: Does Launching a Cycle of Controlled Ovarian Stimulation (COS). Coming off the BCP Compromise Response?
- Staggered IVF with PGS- Selection of “Competent” Embryos Greatly Enhances the Utility & Efficiency of IVF.
- Staggered IVF: An Excellent Option When. Advancing Age and Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR) Reduces IVF Success Rate
- Embryo Banking/Stockpiling: Slows the “Biological Clock” and offers a Selective Alternative to IVF-Egg Donation
- Preimplantation Genetic Testing (PGS) in IVF: It should be Used Selectively and NOT be Routine.
- IVF: Selecting the Best Quality Embryos to Transfer
- Preimplantation Genetic Sampling (PGS) Using: Next Generation Gene Sequencing (NGS): Method of Choice.
- PGS in IVF: Are Some Chromosomally abnormal Embryos Capable of Resulting in Normal Babies and Being Wrongly Discarded?
- PGS and Assessment of Egg/Embryo “competency”: How Method, Timing and Methodology Could Affect Reliability
- IVF outcome: How Does Advancing Age and Diminished Ovarian Reserve (DOR) Affect Egg/Embryo “Competency” and How Should the Problem be addressed.
- IVF: The first Choice for Infertile Women 40 to 43 Years of Age!
- IVF Egg Donation: A Comprehensive Overview
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